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[Petrova ♥]

Interesting to see more of Klaus

[Lianita]

OMGGGGG I need to get out of this thread before all the new episodes are spoiled for me.

Thank goodness for Pirate Bay.

[Djoserai]

Interesting to see more of Klaus

Klaus may not be one of my favorites... But I do like Jospeh Morgan.

[Petrova ♥]

I was thinking about this the other day now It may just be total rubbish Do you think the writers have taken the Bonnie/Damon storyline from the books and given it to Caroline/Damon? I know they have given Caroline a lot of Elena's storylines  (I.e when she turns to a Vampire etc)  because in the books, Damon saves Bonnie from a Wolfpack..yet in the TV series he's shown to save Caroline? Perhaps the writers are maybe going to lead this somewhere? (Or at least were planning to until the whole 'Delena' fandom exploded)..plus it was his blood that turned her..they could have easily made it Stefan's etc.

I don't know, Im just clutching at straws here, I cannot stand Delena

Go ahead feel free to laugh at my stupid attempt at analysis 

[Isa1707]

^ Highly doubt it... I mean, most of the things that could have been Caroline/Damon were all in the first few episodes of the first season, and she was basiclly his personal blood bank.

As for the parallels with Elena's storyline in the book, well, if they are similar I guess its something that they used, but not necesarilly to like push them as a couple. Think about the stuff you are saying that would seem to be that. Caroline was turned because Katherine was going to offer her and Mason to Klaus to get them to stop looking for her; In the books, I rememer Damon turned Elena, or Stefan, and it was just like, because... And for the werewolf pack, it wasnt just Damon that saved Caroline; it was Stefan and Damon, and Elena was the one that basiclly said, we dont leave her behind... If you want my opinion; No, i highly doubt they ever saw Damon and Caroline together in any form. If anything, they have more of a sibling-y relationship; since Stefan was the one who taught her restraint with her hunger, and Damon... well, he saved her once or twice (And probably both at Elena's request)

I honestly like Delena a lot more than I like Stelena. I just like Damon as a character a lot more than I like Stefan. In fact, I think the best I've seen of Stefan is his no humanity, blood drinking, evil guy who almost turned Elena by killing her on the bridge her parents died in. I think Paul Wesley is killing it with Ripper Stefan; Good Stefan just bored the hell out of me. And as for Damon, I love him always. And Elena... I like where they are taking her; she has let go of Stefan a little, but isnt ready to do anything with Damon so far, so she isnt focused on a boy at all, its all about her, and about figuring out herself on her own.

PS: Dont feel ashamed at trying to analyze the show. Sometimes, one person can see things from a perspective others can. If anything, Its good to get ideas out there, and listen to other people's ideas...

[Petrova ♥]

I don't know I've never understood this whole Delena thing. IMO it's ridiculous, and IF/When it does actually happen I will loose all respect for both Elena and Damon (Yes I'm aware it's only a TV show) For me, I have a strong sense of 'Family trumps all' and I believe it's also been represented in the show, to some extent. So for Damon and Elena to just get together because Stefans 'gone bad' isn't feasible to me in the slightest. I know they technically haven't done anything yet, but that's what the writers are gearing us up for. After all why did Stelena end? Because Klaus forced him into switching off his 'humanity' not because either of them wanted to leave each other....and who did Stefan do that for? Damon! I just hate how everyone sees Stefan as the bad guy yet Damon can do no wrong? (Not aiming this at you, but more towards the stupid teenies that can't see past the fact that Damons 'hot'..and yes IMO that's the main reason why there's so many Delena shippers) Moreover, what happens when Stefan gets his humanity back? (We all know It'll happen eventually) Will he just mope around on the sidelines? tbh I don't see him 'loving' anyone else, I can on the other hand see Damon falling for someone like Rose for example. I don't think anyone else agrees with me but the more I watch the show the more, I get sick and tired of the love triangle. I wished they'd let us see more of the other characters, for example we've seen nothing of Bonnie; at the moment she's just the witch used for cooking up spells.

I agree with what you say, but I do think he cares for Caroline more than he lets on (maybe not in a sexual way), all in all he's saved her 5 times, maybe it's his way of making up for what he did to her? I don't think he just saved her because of Elena, but hey that's the beauty of this show, everyone has their own interpretation of things. I don't see their relationship as a sibling relationship either...maybe because they slept together at some point in the show...I dunno, I don't see how you can go from sleeping with a person to seeing them as your big brother? I see Stefan/Caroline as the sibling relationship. I just hope that Damon and Caroline can at least be friends, and not just tolerate each other for the sake of Elena. There's room for their relationship to be explored, and it annoys me that it's just been dropped.

As for end-games, I think if Elena does end up with on Salvatore brother the other will have died trying to save them. I don't know how it will work tbh..I guess that's why I'm on the viewing end of this show.

I just felt the need to rant, to people, who are mature enough to listen to someone's opinion, without forcing 'Delena' down their throats..or giving the whole 'your opinion is invalid' response when they have nothing constructive to say  ...feeling at the end of my tether with some of the TVD fan base right now. It seems if your not a Delena shipper then your nothing, wheras I'm sure there's many more people that share my views but just don't voice their opinion And/Or just aren't so obsessed to get riled up by a work of fiction

Having said all this I love Damon he's my favourite character (You never would have guessed from my post eh? lol)

PS- Im in the UK so we're behind here, forgive me If I've said anything inaccurate.

PPS- I apologise further for my (at times) badly constructed attempt at explaining my stand point. Im smart I promise, it's just 5:15 am here

KLAUS IS LOVE

[Isa1707]

^ I get where you come from with the Stefan thing; but even if he left with Klaus, and didn't really end things with Elena; he has done certain things in the past few episodes that have changed his relationship with Elena a lot.I feel in particular that Damon and Rose see the 'humanity switch' better than Stefan does: its more like a dimmer, not so much a switch. I feel that in this last bender Stefan has discovered certain things about himself. I doubt we will ever see brooding Stefan since I don't see him going back to bunny blood, so it'll be a midpoint between broody and ripper.

I've also noticed something else. Elena has already let Stefan go. She may love him, but she isn't determined to save him atm. I believe that she has finally understood that its not her love that'll save him.

And I don't think the Delena fans have anything to chirp about, in fact; the more I watch, the more I am convinced Damon and Elena will not get together for a long while, and that's if they get together. Damon knows what his brother did for him, and he has marvelously kept himself in check with Elena. It isn't something like he doesn't flirt or anything; its more like not actively trying to woo her off her feet. The fact of the matter for me is that: Damon loves Elena, but he loves his brother too, so I think that if Stefan ever tries to get back to Elena, Damon will take a step back. And to the point that Damon should be with Elena because Stefan is evil... I don't honestly see that at all, I think that they just decided to let him go once they realized that THEY couldn't save Stefan, Stefan has to save HIMSELF...

I know what you mean about certain fans. Sometimes its just plain annoying when they try to force their arguments, both Delena and Stelena fans. I mean I hear a lot of crap of Delena fans about chemistry, or like Stelena fans about like meant to be and stuff...

[Petrova ♥]

I know what your saying he has done a lot of things, but can I take you back to when he 'attempted' to drive Elena off the bridge? He said to her 'I lost you the moment I left town' I think he really does believe that, and that's one of the reasons why he's focusing all his attention on getting rid of Klaus...no one can deny Elena does have feelings for Damon, and I think Stefan's aware of this too. I agree with you though, I think Damon has more control over the 'switch' but there's one thing about him that has always baffled me; does he actually like killing people? Or is it just a way to not gain his humanity back because as he says 'feeling sucks'

Yeah I agree there again; I think for some reason Stefan loves his brother more than anything, and the only one who can save him is Damon. I think so far they've shown Stefan do most of the giving (IMO) and soon it'll be Damon's turn. The biggest sacrifice Damon could give for Stefan would be Elena. (Again IMO)

Really? Why do you think that? I'd love to know your reasoning, because everyone else seems dead certain on it happening. I personally don't think hey'll end up together, I just don't know how the story can be done justice but then maybe that's because I'm Stelena myself. I just want Damon who can find someone who accepts him for who he is, not try and turn him into another Stefan.

I know, I guess it exists in both parties, but atm Delena fans are i the majority so I come across more of them, and dang I never knew 13/14/15 year old girls were so rude!

[Isa1707]

See I didnt see it like that. I dont really think its a mentality thing where he believes he lost her. I think that losing his humanity, even when he was forced to by Klaus, was when he lost her. I mean, he left town, but Elena and Damon spent months trying to find him again, so he wasnt lost to her at all. It was until the humanity compulsion and Michael dying that Elena actually said the words: We Let him Go (To Damon). I think that as much as Elena loves him, its about what he has done recently. How he has focused on getting revenge from Klaus, to the point of wagering Jeremy's life and Elena's, and at one point Damon's that is the cause for Elena and Stefan current wedge. Now with Damon... I don't think he actually likes killing people, I think, that he is in ways more like Elijah and Klaus; its not as if they actually like going out there and kill, but its in their nature, to them, killing someone is part of them, how they function, how they solve things. Im sure its hard to like get around it, but I dont consider Elijah a bad guy, and I've seen him rip out hearts left and right. Im guessing for Damon, its on the same page, they kill to get whatever they need done, done. And Id say it was related to their 'Protect Elena' complex... As for Damon's humanity, he is feeling a lot of it lately... in fact, compared to previous seasons, he is quite well behaved.

I think Stefan and Damon are on an even foot right now with Elena. She cares for them both, Stefan maybe just a little more, and they both have given up a lot for her. Stefan basiclly became Klaus' man slave for a while, and Damon spent a whole lot time sitting in the sidelines, protecting her out of love, without her knowing about the being in love part, and then trying to save her ass from Klaus a lot. So honestly, atm, the ball is pretty much in Elena's court. Elena wont date Damon because it'll feel like betrayal to Stefan (And I doubt that betrayal feeling will ever change), and she probably wont run back to Stefan because, basiclly, She doesnt trust him anymore...

I dont know. I think that for Damon and Elena to be together, Stefan has to take a step back willingly, and let Elena go. That's why I dont see it happening. Cause at this point neither brother can really back down (I think Damon will, again); and Elena has to be the one to choose. Honestly, I feel that Elena has already accepted him completely. I think she realizes that Damon cant be changed. That he is charming, and hot, and smart, and witty, and kinda jerky at times, but he has a heart, and its usually guiding him. She isnt actively trying to change him anymore, she accepts the fact that he is a vampire, and unlike brooding Stefan of seasons1-2, he has no qualms on being just that. I think that Elena understands that at this point, trying to change Damon into someone 'nicer' is like asking him to turn into a human again... unlikely (i was gonna say impossible, but in this show, you never know)

I think that for a fan base, (especially at that age) its about the generality of the character, and basiclly the on screen chemistry. They like the chemistry between Ian and Nina, and they react to that (most of them)... others actually think about the story and all, but many react to that. The same way I feel the Stelena fans react to the more sweeter nature of Elena and Stefan, a lot less fiery, passion chemistry... more relationship-y chemistry to try and explain that.

No offense, I have a 13 year old cousin, and she changes her mind a lot, and mostly reacts to whomever is sadder by the end of the ep. That she is a romantic (even though she wont admit it)... I get what you mean about teenagers those ages.. they are fickle, and picky, and intense at times... but, they are also 60% of ratings, so we love them for keeping the show on air

[Petrova ♥]

Before i start please dont post anything about the show after ep 3x11...I haven't seen them yet.

Hmm, I never thought about it like that to be honest, but the way I always saw it, is that even when he was pushing both Elena and Damon away (For example when they went down to the woods to find Stefan when he was with Klaus) he only did it to protect them. This was shown when he got in the way of the hybrid that was about to go after Damon resulting in him getting bitten himself. Obviously neither Elena or Damon realised this at the time, which is why they decided to let him go (along with other reasons of course; like him pushing Damon off Klaus, again to save Damon).  About the killing thing, maybe it's in their nature to like the for lack of better words to like the 'hunt' I always thought that Damon did enjoy killing people, but never held it against him because as you said it's how they are made to function.  He still has his lapses, and to be honest though I like the progression he's made from season to season, I hope he doesn't become a total 'I'll do anything, change anything for Elena' doormat...If that makes any sense to you?

Dont read on if your reading the books and haven't finished yet! Unless you don't mind spoilers

Right you see in the book's Damon does become human again, so I was wondering if maybe, the producers would take that route loosely somewhere in the books if 'Delena' was to ever happen. I do agree with you, I don't think they can ever happen while Stefan is still around and in love with Elena. It would (for me) be the collapse of his character, because everything he does, he does for Elena. IMO if Delena were to happen it would be in the last few episodes of the show...otherwise what would that say about Elena...the fact that she can't make her mind up, and is going to alternate between both brothers for the rest of the seasons?

I know, but sometimes, I wish they'd be a little less rude about it I mean, someone tweeted Julie Plec that because the next few episodes aren't 'delena' they aren't watching! I mean jhujgdfkgjhfdkj I hope the producers don't feel forced to write Stelena/Delena just cos of these pushy fans. I want what's best for the show, what will make the best storyline and IF that is Delena then I'll still enjoy it (Through gritted teeth of course )

Who are you fave characters btw? and who aren't you so fond of? Oh and also your character pairings?

I know both of us like Damon, but what about the rest?

I'm thoroughly enjoying this conversation btw

[Petrova ♥]

Mine would be:
Faves: Damon, Caroline, Stefan, Klaus, Tyler.
Dislikes: Bonnie, Elena, Matt, Meredith

In the order I put them in XD

[Isa1707]

Thats the thing, Stefan in protecting his brother and Elena is falling deeper into the guy with no humanity... like Damon at the beginning of the show. Its careless of him. In fact, the one phrase that I keep thinking of is, of the episode with the Founders Party, where he tells Damon, That "To beat the villain, you have to be the better villain." At this moment, thats what I see of Stefan, him trying to be the better villain. I think, he needs a reality check to get back to the realm of smart, less drastic and dangerous choices (no endangering friends or brother)

I dont think Damon is changing any more. I doubt that he'll be all goody goody anytime soon or ever. I think that thats the appeal with him. He is a good guy, but he still works with the bad guys playbook.

I dont know about the turning human again thing. Not unless it was like a last move. Last season we saw Damon misses being human, but you can tell he enjoys being a vampire ("I like being the eternal stud") If anything I think Stefan would be more likely to turn human... And on turning: Elena will be a vampire at one point. That I am almost sure off. She will not remain human. And of Elena's choice. I dont know. And honestly, I do enjoy it when its an unclear choice... like being with one brother, but unable to let go of the other... I like drama

Honestly, I have three rules for watching TVD: Damon is alive and in every single episode. They do not kill Katherine she is way too much fun, especially when she returns like randomly. Elijah and Klaus do not die either, Klaus is awesome and Elijah is plain hot

I dont think I dislike any of the characters, but there are things about them I hate:
   Stefan: it annoys me when he is judging Klaus or Damon, when by now he has done several questionable things as well.
   Damon: Adore him, its like love
   Elena: Love new strong, vampire hunter in training Elena... hate it when she is all helpless and damsel in distress-y
   Bonnie: I like it when she banters with Damon... hate that they havent developed her as a character
   Caroline: since she turned vampire, she has been epic
   Tyler: liked him as a werewolf.. hate the hybrid a-hole
   Matt: Best Friend ever... hate it when he goes goo-goo eyes at Caroline or Elena.. He hold the normal human front.
   Alaric: Love the fact that he is the parental figure of the show. A drunk, vampire hunting, teacher. Hope they give him a normal, steady, non supernatural or doomed relationship
   Klaus: best Villain ever
   Elijah: love him, hate that they cut his hair. The OMG moment in season 2 -Awesome
   Meredith: creeps me out
   Rebekah: she is like, my favorite vampire; like, she embodies what it is to be a vampire sooo well. She's fun too
   Jeremy: he turn into an awesome hunter in training and then *SPOILER* jk, not saying
   Katherine: awesome, love her...

   All the other characters are just fine where they are

[Petrova ♥]

Hmm, I think I'd have to agree, there, I think Stefan started out wanting to basically do anything to protect the two people he loves most, but now I think it's a lot more than that to him. I don't know why though, I still see that no matter how bad he becomes he still has some good intention in doing it. Obviously he's not perfect and if he was, his character would be completely two dimensional, but I just think his actions are not to be taken at face value. Just like Damon, he gives the whole 'I don't care about anyone'..'I hope Elena dies (in S1)' speech but you can tell from his actions he's actually the complete opposite. Actually It was silly of me to compare the two brother because they're like opposite ends of the spectrum, but I love both of them for very different reasons (Just Damon more, because he's just epic)

I agree, I don't think he'll turn either, I was just throwing something in there for speculation I think Elena will turn myself, but then I was also thinking maybe that's too obvious? Like everyone's expecting her to turn at some point so maybe she wont? I don't know I like the thought that anything can happen as you said that's what makes the show so brilliant.

Oh and there's loads of 'Bamon' Shippers, I know it happened somewhat in the books, but the way they're playing out both characters in the show I doubt it ever happens. As Kevin Williamson said 'They have great chemistry, because they hate each other, so I wouldn't hold my breath for it' Isn't that enough of an indication for people. I don't know I hope they don't happen I'd rather see 'Delena' than 'Bamon' **shrugs**

For me, Caroline and Klaus cannot die, I L-O-V-E both characters. Part of the reason why me and a majority of other girls from what I can gather from twitter/Fb like Caroline so much, is that she's just so relate-able. Shes just  like your average teenage girl: Insecure, bitchy at times, and to some extent quite shallow. I saw her and it reminded me of exactly how I used to be, and then the transformation she had to this strong empowered vampire. I just loved it. She is Epic and if they kill her off, I will be furious. I know (hopefully Damon/Stefan/Elena are all safe till the end so not too worried about those three) I don't know about you but I want to see more of Elena on her own, maybe interacting more with Matt, without her two 'Salvatore bodyguards' as I like to call them. What do you think? We've seen inklings of strong Elena and I love it, I want to see that continue. Of course they can keep the love triangle at the show's core, but that doesn't mean she has to spend every second of the show's air time either with one of the brothers of thinking about them.

I love Katherine too, she's just so much fun, she may be an 'evil vampire slut' as Damon calls here () but she is what she is, and she's not hiding it and I love that.

[Isa1707]

Yeah, but that's the basic problem with Stefan at this point. Its not about his intentions at all, its all about what he is doing to accomplish them. Its about how far he goes to get something done... And more than anything, for a while, it just feels like his actions are guided by revenge a lot. I mean, yeah, he is protecting Elena, but that's like a bonus, right now its about revenge from Klaus.

I know, but still, I've stop taking account from the book cause I think they are completely different things. I don't think you can really compare. I do think Elena will turn... At somepoint, something will happen, and it'll be the only way to save her or save someone she loves...

Bamon shippers are focused a lot on the book, so they miss the chemistry between Damon and Bonnie on screen... Its not romantic, not passionate, its honestly about the banter; they trust each other, they'd just rather not spend a lot of time together.

I'm not a fan of Elena and Matt, but I do enjoy them as Friends Only. I think being with Matt reminds her that she is still human, doppleganger aside, she is human. I just love her as a strong person, and I hope she stays like that.

I know Caroline won't get killed off unless something drastic happens, she is a fan and crew favorite. Klaus on the other hand... Idk... I do want him to stick around, and he is cool and people love him, I just don't see him staying alive forever in this show. I think he might die (hopefully far off into the future)

[Djoserai]

  Nicely said ladies.

  I'm on the Elijah train.

Everytime I see an interview with Joseph... I anxiously await what is in store for Klaus.

Now that the entire family is together, and mommy is back. I wonder now is more of Klaus's hummanity with show, possible love interest as hinted by Joseph in the interview Cristiyah posted?