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Whats the best league in the world?

La Liga (Spain)
32 (28.1%)
EPL (England)
69 (60.5%)
Calcio (Italy)
9 (7.9%)
Bundesliga (Germany)
3 (2.6%)
Other
1 (0.9%)

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lucylovesmanutd

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Re: Whats the best league in the world?
« Reply #30 on: 6 March 2007, 16:45:31 »
Ligue 1 is just about Lyon!! ::) 

i used to like calcio, but suddenly became in a very corrupted league
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Re: Whats the best league in the world?
« Reply #31 on: 6 March 2007, 21:50:53 »
Ligue 1 is just about Lyon!! ::)

League dominance is not an uncommon trend. Juventus, Real Madrid, and Torino have also won five consecutive domestic titles, while Bayern, MU, Liverpool, and Barca, among others, have won four titles in a row. Each league goes through periods where one club is so much more dominant than the rest, and in general, most leagues are dominated only by a select handful of teams, and that's all due to money.

The fact that teams like Newcastle, Tottenham, Manchester City, and West Ham have much higher budgets than teams like Lille, Werder Bremen, Valencia, and Sevilla but still manage to suck actually tells you that the Premiership is more predetermined than any other league.

Everyone knows who the top four teams will be in England. At least in France, and Germany, and to an extent in Spain, spots 2-5 (and therefore European applicants) are pretty much undecided until the last day. And despite not having a shot at first place, they still manage to do fairly well in Europe.

If you want a league where there is variety, I recommend the Brazillian league. If you want variety and monetary fairness, then watch the MLS. People can say what they want about American football, but their league prevents any one team from dominating the transfer and money markets, and as ironic as it is, the true spirit of football is played in the US, not in Europe, where it is all financially driven.

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Re: Whats the best league in the world?
« Reply #32 on: 7 March 2007, 01:05:55 »
yeh, but dont you think all that is likely to change when becks finally goes to the MLS?

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Re: Whats the best league in the world?
« Reply #33 on: 7 March 2007, 01:09:00 »
MLS sucks! if you want to watch good football were the players give their souls on the pitch: Brazil, Argentina and why not Mexico

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Re: Whats the best league in the world?
« Reply #34 on: 7 March 2007, 01:33:51 »
La liga for me......

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Re: Whats the best league in the world?
« Reply #35 on: 7 March 2007, 01:40:23 »
yeh, but dont you think all that is likely to change when becks finally goes to the MLS?

Honestly, yes, though not for a long time. Right now, each MLS team can only break the salary cap for one player. So the teams are still on even terms in that each team can only have one "superstar." And since the draft is still in place, as well as the inability to automatically sign their own youth players, MLS teams won't be able to establish a monopoly. So they can never pull a Chelsea or Real Madrid and buy up all the best players.


MLS sucks! if you want to watch good football were the players give their souls on the pitch: Brazil, Argentina and why not Mexico

I brought up MLS because I was talking about league fairness, and the MLS is certainly the most fair league out there. Obviously, in terms of quality, the South American leagues are better and have great youth development programs. It's also not quite as money entrenched as their European counterparts.

Europe's football is obviously of the highest quality, but you pay for that in terms of other disadvantages, such as domination by a handful of teams and high player turnover.

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« Reply #36 on: 7 March 2007, 02:34:14 »
the best league from my point of view is the english league. why? because of the pace they play in england. and u have to mature and practise pretty hard to keep up with this pace. of course the spanish league is more technical oriented and they have many players who are awesome but still i think that many players who are playing in spain or italy can't survive in england. not without a coach who is backing u up. look at ballack, i know that many ppl don't like him but he is fantastic player, the head of germany's national team and he sucks in england. because the change and the niveau of the EPL is higher than in germany. he needs his time and the press should stop to humilate him. ronaldo needed more then 2 seasons to really show what he is capable of. he also had difficulties to get used to the english football, but ppl tend to forget that.
yes, the EPL is the best. but this is just my opinion.

finally i read something with sense!

bravo bravo!!!   ;)

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Re: Whats the best league in the world?
« Reply #37 on: 7 March 2007, 04:15:13 »
the best league from my point of view is the english league. why? because of the pace they play in england. and u have to mature and practise pretty hard to keep up with this pace. of course the spanish league is more technical oriented and they have many players who are awesome but still i think that many players who are playing in spain or italy can't survive in england. not without a coach who is backing u up. l


You're right, many foreign players can't adjust to the EPL. But don't you think the opposite is also true? Take three high profile Englishmen who tore up the EPL - Michael Owen, Jonathan Woodgate, and David Beckham - but were never really comfortable in La Liga. Then there is Hernan Crespo, poor at Chelsea but now shining at Inter Milan. And consider this: the fact that Brazillians tend to do poorly in the EPL, yet they are often the best players in the world.

What that tells us is nothing definitive except that for most players, a certain league brings out the very best in them, while others can destroy their careers. Very few footballers have the ability to handle both combinations, since a physical game can rarely be technical at the same time. So you can't really judge a league's strengths by its style of play.

But that does lead to another interesting point. Whatever Arsene Wenger might say, a country's domestic league should be able to provide support to its national association. The past three World Cup winners: Italy, Brazil, and France, not only had players from its domestic clubs but also heavily depended on La Liga, Serie A, and Ligue 1 for players. If you look at World Cup team composition from the last summer, the more successful teams had a balanced number of players who played at home and abroad. Three of the four semifinalists - Italy, France, and Portugal - had a significant number of players who had foreign experience. Only Germany was pretty much made up of solely German-based players, but they were also the hosts.

England also pulled most of its players from its own clubs, except for Beckham and Owen "English Poser" Hargreaves. And what do you know - they were England's best players.

And consider this: in the EPL, Thierry Henry and Gilberto Silva are currently the only World Cup winners still playing - foreign players at Arsenal, the Premiership's only "foreign" team that doesn't subscribe to the traditional English playing style but instead relies on technique. But in the other three leagues, there are several world cup winners still playing.

Now, if the EPL is the best league in the world, and if the best English footballers play for the best EPL teams, then theoretically, the English national team should be doing a lot more than humiliating itself on a yearly basis. But other than one fourth place finish in 1986, England hasn't even gotten to the semifinals since their win in 1966.

When people try to diagnose the problems with English football, they tend to point fingers at the number of foreign players plying their trade on British soil (remember Southgate's rant that Wenger's imports into the EPL were ruining England's national football?). But people tend to ignore the fact that the problem is the opposite - more Englishmen should play abroad.

The reason England can't hack it on the global stage is because they don't know how to play against teams that play in a different style. If the world played EPL style football, then yes, England would be doing a lot better internationally. Unfortunately, that's not the case, which leaves English players with no idea on how to handle teams that are tactically cohesive.

The only solution is for these players to get some valuable foreign experience, but they don't want to leave because of A. comfort, and B. high wages.  Of course, there have been rumors of Lampard and Gerrard leaving for Spain and Italy, respectively, but trust me, they won't settle in immediately. Because as well as struggling with different tactical approaches to the game, most British players are unable to cope with the change of lifestyle and language when they move abroad.

To go back full circle, the EPL discourages its players from trying to get foreign experience, which later translates into failures in an international setting. Like Shaun Wright-Phillips, who would rather content himself with a fat paycheck than switch to a foreign team where he could develop his skills and get more playing time, and Peter Crouch, one of Liverpool's current underachievers. And the list goes on.

That is not the mark of a successful league. I really believe that if the EPL didn't have so much money, it would not be able to remain competitive with Serie A and La Liga.


Wow, that was really long. But what can I say, EPL's underachievement is a sore topic for me.

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Re: Whats the best league in the world?
« Reply #38 on: 7 March 2007, 04:25:52 »
LA LIGA

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Re: Whats the best league in the world?
« Reply #39 on: 7 March 2007, 05:11:18 »
the best league from my point of view is the english league. why? because of the pace they play in england. and u have to mature and practise pretty hard to keep up with this pace. of course the spanish league is more technical oriented and they have many players who are awesome but still i think that many players who are playing in spain or italy can't survive in england. not without a coach who is backing u up. look at ballack, i know that many ppl don't like him but he is fantastic player, the head of germany's national team and he sucks in england. because the change and the niveau of the EPL is higher than in germany. he needs his time and the press should stop to humilate him. ronaldo needed more then 2 seasons to really show what he is capable of. he also had difficulties to get used to the english football, but ppl tend to forget that.
yes, the EPL is the best. but this is just my opinion.

finally i read something with sense!

bravo bravo!!!   ;)

thanks, i tried my best. i don't want to offend anyone's league here. geez i am from germany and i admit that our league totally sucks. that is the reason why we lose our best players to other leagues. i am happy that we have at least Diego from Werder Bremen. Watch this boy, because he is a bomb and he will show that. many footballers are starting in germany, france, spain but then sign in england because it is the best league. footballers like ronaldo or fabregas have a big advantage towards footballers like torres: they grow up in the English Football World. They mature here, they learn how to play with a high pace, to win fights and so on. and then they combine this with their technique. a mix which is rare and fantastic. But these players will end in spain and not stay in england because they simply want to play in a league which shows more technique. hello to spain- i would say. in a couple of years fabregas and ronaldo will play in spain. watch them and remember my words haha

yes thats true again lol! accelly i want to said that before, but my english is very very poor  :oops:, i dont criticize other leagues NOT but definitely think that EPL is the best in the world, you can ask any other player and most of them want to play in England.

And i dont undertsand why the english national team has to be on this thread? ::) we are talking about the leagues, is very different when you talk about the performance of the players on their respective teams....

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Re: Whats the best league in the world?
« Reply #40 on: 7 March 2007, 05:59:19 »
yes thats true again lol! accelly i want to said that before, but my english is very very poor  :oops:, i dont criticize other leagues NOT but definitely think that EPL is the best in the world, you can ask any other player and most of them want to play in England.

And i dont undertsand why the english national team has to be on this thread? ::) we are talking about the leagues, is very different when you talk about the performance of the players on their respective teams....


I don't mean to criticize the EPL singularly here, but the thread is about which league is the best, and I listed why I think EPL falls short of La Liga and Serie A. EPL is still better than France, Germany, Portugal, etc.

I mentioned national teams for a simple reason. Ask any player, and they'll tell you what they want the most: the World Cup. The whole point of playing well for your club is so that you get selected for the national team. Many players choose clubs on the basis of whether it will help them get into their NTs.

As I stated, one of the reasons La Liga and Serie A can be considered better than the EPL is because they are home to players who not only succeed on the domestic front but also on the European and international fronts. The fact that the EPL is unable to supply it's national team with good youth prospects or barely more than a handful of successful home grown players is a sign that the league isn't competitive outside of England. Because other than the Liverpool players who won the CL, what has any Premier League player managed outside of England?

While I understand that some players don't play well for their NT as they do for their clubs, and vice versa, the fact that players like Lampard, Gerrard, Neville, Rooney, Terry, Carragher, etc, all sucked in every single game they played during the World Cup tells you that their club performances didn't quite prepare them for a bigger stage.

As for every player wanting to come to the EPL, take a look at who is in the EPL. If you disregard the English players, who are the world class players left? Ronaldo? Arsenal has some, in the form of Henry and Gallas. Fabregas and Alonso at Liverpool aren't world class yet. I'm ignoring Chelsea signings because money plays too big a factor for me to ignore. I highly doubt Ballack and Shevchenko came to England as thirty year olds out of love.

Why aren't there more World Cup winners in the EPL, especially since it has so many foreign players? Isn't it just a little strange, that with so many top clubs in a top league, that there are only two players in the entire EPL (Gilberto in 92, Henry in 98) who have lifted the World Cup? Why is it that in the past ten years, only two English teams were able to lift the CL trophy, especially considering the fact that four teams enter the competition every year? Instead, it's Spain and Italy with the most participations in CL finals. It's other European teams that do well internationally.

I want the EPL to strengthen. They have a great history with some great clubs, and some of the teams are exciting to watch. But every year, I get disappointed when I see EPL teams consistently underperform either at home, in Europe, or in the world. Why can't an English club have a realistic shot at both home, the CL, and provide World Cup winners as well?

/end rant.

Anyway, I vote La Liga  ;)


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Re: Whats the best league in the world?
« Reply #41 on: 7 March 2007, 09:46:05 »
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While I understand that some players don't play well for their NT as they do for their clubs, and vice versa, the fact that players like Lampard, Gerrard, Neville, Rooney, Terry, Carragher, etc, all sucked in every single game they played during the World Cup tells you that their club performances didn't quite prepare them for a bigger stage.

you can take Gerrard out of that list. He scored two goals in the world cup and one beautiful one against trinidad to send england through to the next round. You have to remember that because of lampard, Gerrard has to play a holding role for England and therefore it is impossible to live up to his potential playing for his country. He is a victim of tactics for England. He did the dirty work very well at the world cup and put his team before himself in the way he played as always. Scoring goals from that holding position in midfield is very hard as you know. Although i do agree with everything you said about EPL players not adjusting well to la liga aswell. It works both ways. You bring up some good points again. It all depends on what you like to watch. I think people who just like a game which is hard and pleasing on the eye would choose epl. But people who appreciate football in more than a one dimensional way would appreciate la liga more because of its higher level of tactics and overall football quality. I think to get a comparison over the years of what league has been the best you have to look what has happened in europe. Real madrid have won the CL nine times, AC Milan have won it six times and Liverpool have won it five times. But Liverpool play a european style game so you cant really say that the pure english style of football has been successful. The only other team to win a CL from England is Man United and theyve only won two, playing an english style game. I guess everything points to la liga and seria a being better leagues in the past but england could very easily have four teams in the quater finals of the championsleague this season and that will be a great effort.

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« Reply #42 on: 27 March 2007, 21:22:23 »
I think EPL is still the best although I only watch top clubs matches.
As for La Liga, I only watch when Real Madrid's playing and sometimes Barcelona (only when I'm bored though)
the rest of the leagues...never watch them

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Re: Whats the best league in the world?
« Reply #43 on: 4 April 2007, 01:16:03 »
Its a question of tastes.
Maybe the PL has the pace & strength but La Liga has the quality, and it is more exciting because almost every game is unforseeable. So I go for La Liga.

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Re: Whats the best league in the world?
« Reply #44 on: 8 April 2007, 03:21:01 »
EPL... hands down.