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Re: It's a world title fight: Kaka v Ronaldo
« Reply #15 on: 16 April 2007, 18:12:56 »
That article could have been totally taken off my posts about the Kaka v Ronaldo debate that went on last week - i have been saying that exact same bloody thing for weeks! This journalism lark is a peice of cake I feel a career change coming on lol! xx

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Re: It's a world title fight: Kaka v Ronaldo
« Reply #16 on: 16 April 2007, 18:37:48 »
This comparation is stupid, both are great and i know this a cristiano fan forum but if you really know about football you will see that they both are brilliant and i dont agree with majiek kaká is one of kind you cant compare him with someothers!!

by the way deco is brilliant too ;)

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Re: It's a world title fight: Kaka v Ronaldo
« Reply #17 on: 16 April 2007, 21:04:29 »
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what part of my post? the part about there alot of Kaka's about, in my opinion there are alot of his type about and can do similair jobs. so you don't agree so what?

Ofcourse yeah there are alot of players who play his position but at the moment nobody just near as good as him. Hes playing an incredible season too, its overlooked most of the time because Milan are not 1st, 2nd or 3rd and the italian league is very underrated here.
But please just watch this comp once Majiek, for me it shows that he is not just somebody on this position but is the best on this position at the moment.



But like you said, its your opinion.

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Re: It's a world title fight: Kaka v Ronaldo
« Reply #18 on: 16 April 2007, 21:08:09 »
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what part of my post? the part about there alot of Kaka's about, in my opinion there are alot of his type about and can do similair jobs. so you don't agree so what?

Ofcourse yeah there are alot of players who play his position but at the moment nobody just near as good as him. Hes playing an incredible season too, its overlooked most of the time because Milan are not 1st, 2nd or 3rd and the italian league is very underrated here.
But please just watch this comp once Majiek, for me it shows that he is not just somebody on this position but is the best on this position at the moment.



But like you said, its your opinion.

you think a youtube video proves anything? hell i could make a youtube video of any player.. even Richardson and make him look world class.. hey i mite do that and send it to Real Madrid.. maybe they will buy him as there new Galactico..

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Re: It's a world title fight: Kaka v Ronaldo
« Reply #19 on: 16 April 2007, 21:15:31 »
Well what else can i do if youre not watching italian football? I see it every week live on the tele. Thought i would make it easier for you and comfy so you would maybe give it a look but well i expected it to be pointless. people cant say i didnt try

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Re: It's a world title fight: Kaka v Ronaldo
« Reply #20 on: 16 April 2007, 21:24:51 »
Well what else can i do if youre not watching italian football? I see it every week live on the tele. Thought i would make it easier for you and comfy so you would maybe give it a look but well i expected it to be pointless. people cant say i didnt try

well you could of asked "do you watch Italian football" because i do, i have seen Kaka play loads of times, i just don't think hes better then Cristiano this season.

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Re: It's a world title fight: Kaka v Ronaldo
« Reply #21 on: 16 April 2007, 21:26:34 »
Don't worry about explaining yourself Lisa. Some people see football from different points of view than us I guess. I thought it was a nice gesture that you made offering a video, and it was fantastic, I watched it. I know how great Kaka is don't worry. Thankyou for your post.

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Re: It's a world title fight: Kaka v Ronaldo
« Reply #22 on: 16 April 2007, 22:19:38 »
both are great players and both have cute looks but I'm still rooting for Ron!!!
I hope he can display his best during the semi final maybe even better than the one against Roma cos I think AC Milan is stronger than Roma

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Re: It's a world title fight: Kaka v Ronaldo
« Reply #23 on: 16 April 2007, 22:30:05 »
Well what else can i do if youre not watching italian football? I see it every week live on the tele. Thought i would make it easier for you and comfy so you would maybe give it a look but well i expected it to be pointless. people cant say i didnt try

kaka is an amazing player and if he wins player of the year it will be no more than he deserves! He holds together a team that is not only on the old and slow side but also one that quite often looks completely void of any sort of attacking threat - and if it wasnt for Kaka not only would Milan be in grave difficulty in the league, the jewl in the crown of Italian football would be missng! Unless you watch Milan matches reguarly there is no way you can even begin to comprehend just how important Kaka is to milan, and just how much he lights up the pitch when he plays, in the exact same way as Ronaldo does - mabe less tricks granted but then its not ronaldos tricks that are winning games! he scores regualarly in domestic and champions league and his assists rate has been consistently high over the past few seasons, so I think that kaka and Roanldo are both very evenly matched and whoever wins the awards this season it will be very well deserved because for the first season in ages there are no guarentees as to the winner - despite what the English media would have you believe! xx

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Re: It's a world title fight: Kaka v Ronaldo
« Reply #24 on: 17 April 2007, 00:05:50 »
there are lots of kaka's around? :::lol::
Thanks for the laugh ::lol::

For real? and I completely agree with Toni01, even though I think that Cristiano is currently better.

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Re: It's a world title fight: Kaka v Ronaldo
« Reply #25 on: 17 April 2007, 03:06:19 »
Well what else can i do if youre not watching italian football? I see it every week live on the tele. Thought i would make it easier for you and comfy so you would maybe give it a look but well i expected it to be pointless. people cant say i didnt try
kaka is an amazing player and if he wins player of the year it will be no more than he deserves! He holds together a team that is not only on the old and slow side but also one that quite often looks completely void of any sort of attacking threat - and if it wasnt for Kaka not only would Milan be in grave difficulty in the league, the jewl in the crown of Italian football would be missng! Unless you watch Milan matches reguarly there is no way you can even begin to comprehend just how important Kaka is to milan, and just how much he lights up the pitch when he plays, in the exact same way as Ronaldo does - mabe less tricks granted but then its not ronaldos tricks that are winning games! he scores regualarly in domestic and champions league and his assists rate has been consistently high over the past few seasons, so I think that kaka and Roanldo are both very evenly matched and whoever wins the awards this season it will be very well deserved because for the first season in ages there are no guarentees as to the winner - despite what the English media would have you believe! xx

Amen to that!
You people have to watch both Kaka and ROnaldo constantly to see whos best, seeing all Man U games and one Milan game cannot tell you that Ronaldo is better.
Yes Ronaldo is great and scores a lot. But I think that Kaka is better, he can play with brain and skill, and doesnt need tricks like Ronaldo to score goals.

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Re: It's a world title fight: Kaka v Ronaldo
« Reply #26 on: 17 April 2007, 10:57:36 »
Amen to that!
You people have to watch both Kaka and ROnaldo constantly to see whos best, seeing all Man U games and one Milan game cannot tell you that Ronaldo is better.
Yes Ronaldo is great and scores a lot. But I think that Kaka is better, he can play with brain and skill, and doesnt need tricks like Ronaldo to score goals.

His tricks are part of who he is, and that doesn't make him any less than Kaka if he uses that part of his game to his full advantage.  :-\ 

Like what Mike said, we are very lucky to see players of this caliber in our generation.  It's just a matter of tastes and opinions, no one is wrong or right, we differ in what we believe in, and I think people would have to respect that.


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Re: It's a world title fight: Kaka v Ronaldo
« Reply #27 on: 19 April 2007, 20:02:56 »
Amen to that!
You people have to watch both Kaka and ROnaldo constantly to see whos best, seeing all Man U games and one Milan game cannot tell you that Ronaldo is better.
Yes Ronaldo is great and scores a lot. But I think that Kaka is better, he can play with brain and skill, and doesnt need tricks like Ronaldo to score goals.

His tricks are part of who he is, and that doesn't make him any less than Kaka if he uses that part of his game to his full advantage.  :-\ 

Like what Mike said, we are very lucky to see players of this caliber in our generation.  It's just a matter of tastes and opinions, no one is wrong or right, we differ in what we believe in, and I think people would have to respect that.


cleverly explained...both of them are very important to their teams.it's not just becoz of the way how the player plays determine how much he contributes to the team..u can be both skillful and useful to the team..it's difficult to use the skills adequately on the pitch.but Ronaldo does it very well...also i think that Ronaldo is more important to Portugal than Kaka to Brazil..maybe ppl in Brazil are too sharp...on the other hand...Kaka is 25 or 24?...so in that way..he is more mature in the way he plays..there's no doubt..so that's unfair to compare them with their age difference..two years time can make a great difference...last but not least..i still think that Kaka can get the title..coz his image is better and he is older than Ronaldo..

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Re: It's a world title fight: Kaka v Ronaldo
« Reply #28 on: 6 February 2008, 04:14:40 »
Debate: Who Is Better - Kaka or Ronaldo?

It is one of the hottest arguments in the game. Gil Gillespie contemplates the question of who is the best out of Kaka and Cristiano Ronaldo...

Cristiano Ronaldo dos Santos Aveiro and Ricardo Izecson dos Santos Leite are named, respectively, after actor-turned-President Ronald Reagan, and the baby babble of a younger brother who couldn't pronounce the word 'Ricardo'. From these beginnings come the two most famous names in world football: Ronaldo and Kaka.

The pair are also the subject of one of the most polemical arguments currently being debated in pubs and bars around the planet. One of the two gets the vote of FIFA, UEFA, Pele, and the majority of Europe?s army of football journalists. The other can count on the support of Sir Alex Ferguson, the late George Best, and his mum. So, who is the better player, Kaka or Ronaldo?

Based on this season?s form, it is difficult to argue against Ronaldo.

In Serie A Kaka has been stumbling a little, looking slightly jaded, not quite managing to pick up the rhythm that has previously marked him out as the most outstanding attacking talent of his generation. By his standards, it?s been a "nearly, but not quite" kind of season so far.

Ronaldo, on the other hand, has been almost supersonic in the Premier League. Swapping his annoying diving antics and some of his unnecessary trickery for a more straight-running, direct approach, the Portuguese midfielder has frightened the living daylights out of just about every defender and goalkeeper in the league.

His blistering pace, remarkable athleticism, unstoppable free-kicks and clinical eye for goal have seen him overtake his goalscoring tally of last season already and taken him to the top of the netting charts. He has hit 27 goals in as many games for Man United - not bad for a player who?s supposed to play in midfield. His willingness to attack is relentless.

But when comparing these two stellar talents, it is important to remember the old adage: ?form is temporary and class is permanent.?

Michel Platini, who spoke about Ronaldo this week, is correct in saying that the Portuguese has yet to prove himself on the biggest of stages.

"It's difficult to compare players in competitions and teams. Is it more difficult to play right wing in Manchester than it is in Italy, where it doesn't exist?? Platini argued this week.

What the UEFA president is saying is that, for all it?s thrills and spills, the Premier League is not as defensively sophisticated as the equivalent competitions in Spain and Italy.

"If Ronaldo is the best player in the world or Europe he will have to prove it in the Euros, because that will be the only way we can judge him, when all the best players will have had the chance to be recognised," declared Platini.

In the Champions League last season, when it mattered most, Ronaldo went missing. While Kaka was busy winning the competition and becoming its top scorer, Ronaldo turned in a few cameo performances and scored a couple of goals. In his side?s vital away leg against Milan in the San Siro, he first made a fool of himself, then appeared to have gone home for the rest of the evening.

But lets not dwell too long on Ronaldo?s flaws. He is, after all, still only 22. No-one is suggesting that he won't go on to become a great player.

This, in turn, should not distract from the fact that Kaka is, quite simply, a more complete footballer than Ronaldo.

His balance is better, his technique is easier, he is much more elegant in possession, a far better team player, a more incisive passer and a more intelligent reader of the game. The Brazilian has never attempted a step-over in his life because he doesn?t have to. Such circus trickery is beneath him.

Kaka glides past players as if they aren?t there; he's as subtle as he is lighting quick. And when Kaka sings, Ronaldo often stutters. The latter's jittery, jinking, dribbling is easier to deal with as a defender. Not easy, by any means, but easier.

To put it another way, marking Ronaldo is about as difficult as dodging bullets. Marking Kaka is like marking the breeze.

The Portuguese, however, is better in the air and probably a better free-kick taker. Probably? We haven't really had an opportunity to see how good Kaka is at set pieces because Pirlo, the best in the world, takes them for Milan and Ronaldinho usually takes them for Brazil. As for Ronaldo's higher ratio of goals per game, as Platini intimated, he is doing it in a league where it is easier to score goals. As for his 20 strikes in 53 games at international level, almost all of them have come against teams such as Saudi Arabia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Estonia.

Pele, who is usually a terrible judge of talent, to be quite honest, has actually got it right this time.

?Kaka is the best player in the world, without a doubt,? the Brazilian legend told Gazzetta Dello Sport recently.

Most of the talk of Ronaldo being the best player in the world has come from England, where there is a tendency to claim global supremacy too easily and too quickly.     --- Wtf?

Take Ronaldo?s stunning free-kick against Portsmouth. As soon as his strike hit the top right hand corner of the net, pundits and fans were proclaiming it as the greatest free-kick of all time. It wasn?t. Its not even the best free-kick of the season. Andrea Pirlo?s pearler in the Milan derby was much closer to the edge of the box and more difficult to lift up over the wall and down again into the top corner.

Okay, all these claims about one player being better than another are probably unproductive, anyway. Football is, lest we forget, a team game. Are Kaka and Ronaldo really better players than the likes of Sergio Ramos, Gianluigi Buffon, Francesco Totti, Esteban Cambiasso, Andrea Pirlo, Fernando Torres, Cesc Fabregas or Zlatan Ibrahimovic? It is, of course, virtually impossible to compare players who perform completely different roles and functions on the pitch.

The best we can conclude in the debate about Kaka and Ronaldo is that Kaka is the finished article and Ronaldo still has a little way to go. But then again, if he is a finished product, should he not be producing the results in Serie A? And the debate goes on...

One thing is certain: it is a privilege to watch both of them play.

Gil Gillespie

http://goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=574602

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Re: It's a world title fight: Kaka v Ronaldo
« Reply #29 on: 6 February 2008, 04:19:28 »
Lol.................

I just made a fool of myself didn't I.